锦儿：我在很多年前做了一个椅子，现在放在工体的紫云轩，特别的高，坐在这个地方是90度折上去。当时做的时候觉得不错挺好看，但是要多高呢？那就高，再高，再高。后来坐的时候很不舒服，我当时觉得没关系，好看就可以了，舒不舒服无所谓，不舒服这样坐也可以。中国民式的椅子坐的时候讲究端庄，但是很不舒服，但是我想最起码顾一头就够了。当时有一个索尼 的设计师跟我说，这个椅子很漂亮但是很不舒服，我说，没关系，忍一会吧，反正也就两个小时就走了。他说，我知道你不是设计师，但是我想和你分享一下我做设计的感受，他是在日本工作的一个欧洲人，他说，我觉得作为一个设计师，一定要把情感放进去，这个情感就是爱；当时我没有孩子，他有两个孩子，我当时想这可能是我们的代沟。我说，哦，谢谢你，要把爱放进去。

后来陆陆续续随着发展做了一些东西，后来我就有了孩子，现在我的小孩经常被门加了手，从椅子上掉下来，被什么东西夹着脚，都是被我做的东西。我们有一个滑着镜子的门，非常好看，关上以后是一体的，我觉得太漂亮了。一定不能让把手影响这个门，所以没有做把手，所以小孩经常被门夹到手。所以我觉得我们无论做任何设计，心里面一定要有爱，有关怀有体贴，再美再好的东西，如果在生活上没有情感，可能在生活上是不实用的。背负我们的使命，我想借这样一个机会跟大家分享一个这样的一个小的心得。

翁菱：很感人。我相信几位设计师都是又有爱，又有理想的人。艺术家，在东，我相信他对中国的传统文化和中国文人的生活方式，在今天是一个实践者。

郑在东：我大概讲一下，文人的生活跟工匠的关系。17世纪，李渔写了一本《闲情偶记》，里面讲了非常多的生活情趣，包括怎么样建筑？怎么样盖一堵墙？它的窗花应该怎么样做，甚至包括了桌椅和衣服，所以他完全是非常生活的角度。虽然他是一个平凡之士，没有办法像达官贵人那样，但是他很强调这个美感是他可以达到的。我觉得我们现在很幸运，生活在现代的中国，我们现在还有非常好的传统工匠，他可以和你配合做很多的东西，比如说我和华弌兄想好好做一只毛笔，那这个工匠就能好好配合和我们一起做一只毛笔。

所以从你的衣食住行，包括从你穿的衣服，到你家的用具，到你的器物，全部可以和工匠搭配在做，所以他和真正的设计观点有一点点不同。我想让更多的人参与和工匠的配合。刚刚周老师讲的就是，这个东西我们有很多的时间了，我们有很多时间和他沟通，他解决我们所有技术的问题，我们提出想要的美感。日本在上个世纪五十年代他们有一个民意运动，这个运动最重要的就是让很多艺术家对传统的艺匠所拥有的经验中，从他们里面吸取了很多的元素，这个东西最后慢慢产生了一种力量，我想谈很多大理论可能不能解决我们所要讲的细致问题，我想要从我们的个人化，每种不同范畴的人都要去用他的想法，用他的理念做点不同的东西，这个最重要的第一个就是我们保留了我们很好的工匠，假如说这些工匠都在我们工业的生产线上的话，那是我们的悲哀，谢谢。

翁菱：李先生在这方面也是一个非常有发言权的创造者。

李景汉：I can talk about the designer, the industrial designer, like XiaoYong say,from 20 years of user. Those are important. The user, but also the client,someone who are looking at the design because I am looking for design can push forward a certain goal or certain purposes. I think that relates to what Rosanna were talking about that I think a great design, or great designer or products are very initial stages. They are looking in the process of problem solving.

We are trying to addressing issue, solving the technical issue, using technology or conceptually you are trying to deal with something. I mean, look at the Ball House design, they are conceptual and philosophical but also very, very specific problem solving they were doing. That was the amazing around history. so it is purpose driving, I think, design ,designer, architect, I think we are in a situation now in China, as we talking about creating in China is did that mean. I think it is huge issue for China, I load proper here, the Ipad, we look on the back of Ipad, it is created in America, the USA, the sampled in China, what did that mean? I think it means the huge statement or the statement that the situation that we were in. Maybe it is errocians, I don’t know it meaning. I think it was interested in discussing. But created in America and sampled, not made in China, but sampled in China. I was act in Expo in Shanghai .I have been couple of pervious. I went to the GM Shanghai Automotive. They had a nice show on history of the car and design of the car and that car fits to even the Chinese social society in Shanghai. That was the presentation in the future of the car .But the car conceptually changed the whole consequent of driven changed, the whole consequent of relationship with car changed. But the most important is the technology of the car and the whole roads changed. The interested was there are two concept cars. One developed by GM, designed, created by GM and went by Shanghai Automotive. The GM car has no more engines, totally badly driven and whole chase suspension and the different ways in the northe, the safety requirement and body requirement are all changed.

So, that was the problem. From that of issue, for that design of point, so what does this of car look like? While you don’t need engine, you don’t need traditional suspension have on the car, you don’t need transmission, so how do you design the car like this? You have to meet the technology, you have to be very forward and you have to create something. But along the lines, you are using what the new technology, the future technology are thoughly absurd. The GM are very interesting, the little concept of car.it looks like a little halmet, very small, very comfortable stand right. It doesn’t look like a car but it is an actual functional car, totally bad driven and . the Shanghai Automotive car, the concept of the car are look like a car.waht more interesting was it had no technolygy.this was at the Expo Shanghai. The Shanghai Automotive Industry totally like a car. Maybe I don’t understand it. But it was real a functional car.so ,what’s the problem here? I think that we have to look at it.if we want to talk about creat in china,is the whole issue of concept of design, the desplin the reasreach,and then the appiration of that into something that was real and address of critical issues.i found the earlier very interesting and I found it fasnating.i think people on this panel are more closer to archeture and buildings and . but that one statement I thought was interesting.maybe my Chinese is not that good that something that maybe I am not heard, that the ittanution of beween the designer and user。

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